The Family of William Price Trichwmwl

Trichwmwl - nestling in the trees on the North side of Mynydd Bach

William and his wife Elinor lived initially at Trawsllwynddu where, according to the Myddfai Parish Records, most of the children appear to have been born. He is not mentioned in his father Morgan's will but his widow Elinor is mentioned in his mother Gwenllian's will. There may be a very simple explanation for this. William married before his father's death and he is likely to have received stock etc. from Morgan at that time and therefore Morgan was free to leave the remainder of the tenancy of Trawsllwynddu to his son David after Gwenllian’s death.

William and Eleanor moved across Mynydd Myddfai to Trichwmwl around 1818* (see note) just before his brother David's marriage. At some point William was an excise man (he is described as "late excise man" in the PR baptismal entry for his daughter Margaret in 1808. Also for a while William was a schoolmaster at Myddfai School (1810 - 1812) - confirmed in PR baptismal entry for William in 1816 (also in David James MLP**- see note).

William died at the comparatively young age of 44 in 1823 after which time Eleanor continued to farm Trichwmwl until sometime between 1841 and 1851 by which time she was living with her son William at Penlan, Telych. Her son Morgan took over Trichwmmwl probably on his marriage to Mary Williams in 1848.

Trichwmwl hidden in the trees. This was the closest I got on that day.

TRICHWMWL: a farm of 58 acres (1839) occupied by Elinor Price and owned by Edward Jones of Felindre, Llandovery. The farm house is now unoccupied. Documents from the last century, as often as not, refer to the place as Trichwmwd. Thus there are at least two rather literal meanings, three clouds or three commotes. There is no record of it being a place where commotes meet and neither for that matter do three clouds. What do meet within a short distance are three small valleys, tri chwm; thus the name may refer to this fact. (David B James MLP)

The bare bones are as follows -

William PRICE (1780 - 1823) bp. 22 Jun 1780 MPC, died at Trichwmwl, bd. 3 Mar 1823 (44) MPC = Elinor JONES (1780 - 1860), bp. d/o Morgan John and Gwenllian 30 Apr 1780, Llywel PR. Married 8 Jul 1803 Llywel PC. After William's death in 1823 Elinor continued to live at Trichwmwl - see 1841 census. She then lived with her son William. She died at Black Cock Myddfai (the home of her daughter Anne) and was buried 9 Oct 1860 MPC (per Myddfai BT’s).

Children:

Elinor PRICE (1804 - ?) bp. 2 Sep 1804 MPC (d/o Wm. Price) - No mention of her found in subsequent records or censuses.

Gwenllian PRICE (1806 - 1878) bp. 6 Jul 1806 MPC d. 31 Dec 1878 aged 71 bd. Defynock PC (MI BK3) = John PRICE (1809 - 1898) of Torffynnon, Llywel and Tanyfedw, Cray (brother of Howell Price Cwmllech-see below). Married 1841 at Llywel PC. John d. 28 Aug 1898 aged 90 (MI Defynock BK3). John was at home with his father at Cwmllech in 1841. They lived at Torffynnon, Pentrefelin in 1851c, then Clwydcaenewydd, Cray 1861c and 1871c. Finally lived at Tanyfedw Cray (includes Berthevan) where the family line continues to this day.

        Children:

• Ann PRICE (1843 - 1877) d. 12 Nov 1877 aged 34 bd. Defynock PC (MI A90)
• Elinor PRICE (1845 - 1924) unmarried lived at home until her brother John married, then at Elias Row Sennybridge in 1901 bd. Horeb Cray d. 24 Jun 1924 aged 80 (MI Cray A27)
• Mary PRICE (1848 - 1850) d. 2- Jan 1850 aged 2 yrs. 6 months bd. Defynock PC MI A90

• John PRICE (1849 - 1936) d. 9 Mar 1836 aged 87 (MI Horeb A27) = Margaret (1862 - 1954) d. 23 Mar 1954 aged 92 Horeb MI A27. Lived at Tanyfedw Children: Elinor G (1895), Annie (1896 - 1939) d. 9 Feb 1939 Horeb MI A27, Johnny Tanyfedw (1897- 1951) d12 Oct 1951 aged 54 Horeb married Abigail Jennet ? (1903 - 1950) d. 17 Mar 1950 (47), Margaret (1899), David (1902 - 1919) d. 9 Oct 1919 aged 17 (Horeb MI A27and others?)
• Mary PRICE (1851 - 1908) d. 19 Feb 1908 aged 56 bd. Defynock PC (MI BI1)= Daniel WILLIAMS (1857 - 1923) d. 25 Aug 1923 aged 66 MI BI1 Defynock. Lived at Penwain Aberdare.

Margaret PRICE (1808) bp. 17 Jan 1808 MPC bd. 27 Jan 1808 (9 days old) MPR.

Mary PRICE (1809 - 1883) bp. 17 Jan 1809 MPC d. 8 Feb 1883 aged 73 Defynock PC BK2 = Howell PRICE (1806 - 1881), Cwmllech  Llandeilo'r Fan Breconshire (s/o Howell Price Cwmllech and brother of John Price Torffynnon who married Mary's sister Gwen - see above) Married 1833 Llywel PC. Howell died 17 May 1881 aged 78 Defynock PC (MI BK2)

Children:

• Howell PRICE bca. 1836 = Margaret ? married ca. 1855. At Carnau Llanfihangel Nant Bran 1861 with Children Howell(1856), John (1858), William(1860), David (1861)
• Eleanor PRICE (1837) bp. 20 Aug 1837 Llandeilo'r Fan PC
• Anne PRICE 1840 bp. 20 Apr 1840 Llandeilo'r Fan PC
• Mary PRICE 1843 bp. 2 Jan 1843 Llandeilo'r Fan PC = ? Davies - kept house for brother William 1891/1901 census.
• Gwen PRICE 1846
• William PRICE 1850 farmed Cwmllech after his father - bachelor (sister Mary kept house for him 1891 and 1901 census)  - bd. Llandeilo'r Fan MI 104 d. 26 Dec 1934 aged 88 together with nephew John (s/o Howell) d 14 Aug 1934 aged 76.
• John PRICE 1853

Anne PRICE (1811 -1863) b. 3 Mar 1811 at Trawsllwynddu, bp. 3 Apr 1811 MPC d. 23 Dec 1883 aged 73 MI Cefnarthen 20.2 = David JONES (1814 - 1899), Black Cock***(see note), Myddfai and later Hafod Fawr Myddfai. bp. Cefnarthen 3 Jun 1814 s/o David John David and Elizabeth. Married 14 Jun 1834 MPC d. 19 May 1889 aged 75 MI Cefnarthen 20.2

         Children:

• Eleanor JONES b. 5 Feb 1835 bp. 8 Jun 1835 MPC
• William  JONES bp. 18 Jul 1837 MPC
• David JONES (1840 - 1880) bp. 2 Jun 1840 MPC  d. 21 Mar 1880 aged 38 bd. Saron Cwmwysg MI71 = Margaret JONES ****(see note)  (1836 - 1897) of Brynmaendu, Traianglas, Llywel (1861 census) d. 15 Oct 1897 aged 63 bd. Saron Cwmwysg MI 71. Married ca. 1867. Living at Brynmaendu, Traianglas in 1871c. Children: Anne 1868, James 1869 - 1916 = Mary Evans, Thomas 1872, Howell 1876.
• John JONES bp. 1 Feb 1843 = Anne DAVIES
• Joseph JONES bca. 1845 - 20 Jul 1918 aged 72 Cefnarthen MI 10.1 = Eleanor ? (1852 - 1 Aug 1936 age 84) Cefnarthen MI 10.1. Children: Mary 1875, David 1877, Josephus 1879, Hannah 1891, Joshua 1893 - 2 Dec 1916 aged 25 (MI Cefnarthen 10.1), Lizzie 1895 Edgar 1897.
• Elizabeth JONES bca. 1848
• Thomas JONES Hafod Fawr, Myddfai bca. 1853 = Anne ? Children: Sarah Anne 1887 (became assistant teacher at Myddfai School around 1919), Lizzie Jane 1889, Mary Ellen 2890, Alice A 1892, Morgan 1895, Maggie H 1897, John E 1900

Margaret PRICE (1813 - ?) b. 22 Aug 1813, bp. 30 Aug 1813 MPC. = William WILLIAMS (1804 - 1858) Pentwyn Uchaf (1804 – 1858) Myddfai (s/o David Williams, farmer of Cayo) d. 16 Nov 1858 aged 54 bd. Seion Chapel Myddfai MI 112 . Married at MPC 31 Oct 1840. Living at Pentwyn Uchaf in 1841 and 1851 census. Following William's death in 1858 Margaret continued to farm Pentwyn Uchaf in 1861 but by 1871 she (and the whole family apart from John) is at Bedw Hir Merthyr Rd. Llwydcoed, Aberdare - she is a housekeeper, Eleanor a dressmaker and the boys are all working. Also in this census is a grandson William aged 1.

       Children: 

• Eleanor WILLIAMS (bp. 18 Sep 1841 MPC)
• David WILLIAMS (1843)
• John WILLIAMS (1845)
• Mary WILLIAMS(1848)
• Morgan WILLIAMS(1851)
• Dan WILLIAMS(1855)
• Joseph WILLIAMS(1857)

William PRICE (1816-1866), Penlan Telych and Butter Hall Llandovery  b. 22 Jan 1816, bp. 1 Feb 1816 MPC, bd. 9 Dec 1866 aged 51 MPC (MI 252) = Elinor EVANS (bca 1820 - 188?), born Pencarreg, Llanybyther, Cards. In 1851 William, still single, was farming Penlan, Telych. His mother Eleanor was living there with him together with a servant, Elinor Evans of Pencarreg. Eleanor Price died in 1860 and by the 1861 census, William had married Eleanor Evans (married ca. 1852) and they were living at Butter Hall, a fairly large house on the main road in Llandovery. By this time William is described as a haulier. William died in 1866 and is buried at Myddfai next to his brother Morgan Price of Trichwmwl. William and Elinor's first daughter Mary was born at Caio according to the 1861 census. By 1871 Mary the eldest daughter has married - she married William Hughes last quarter 1867 at Llandovery and three of her siblings Morgan, Eleanor, David and John are with her but no sign of Eleanor in this census. In 1881 Eleanor with William (Mason), David and John (labourers) had moved to 40 Morris St, Llangyfelach, Swansea. I have some further details of this family should anyone be interested.

Morgan Price (1819 - 1863), Trichwmwl  b. 9 Oct 1819 bp. 19 Oct 1819 MPC bd. 10 Sep 1863 aged 44 [MI 251] = Mary Williams (1826 - 1881), Cilycwm. Married 25 Jan 1848. See further post.

• Children:
• David PRICE, Pentrefelin, Halfway and later Pantyffordd, Senny (1848 - 1916) b. 25 Feb 1848 at Coydca (sic) Cilycwm = 1) Unknown and 2) Jane PROSSER (ca.1858 - 1925). See separate family page.
• William PRICE, Dagfa, Myddfai (1849 - 1923?) later of Colbrook, Llandovery (MI 69 MPC) d. 27 Feb 1923 aged 72 = Gwenllian Davies (1849 - 1891) m. 2nd qtr. 1875 Llandovery Reg. d. 16 Dec 1891 bd. MPC [MI 64] See separate family page.
• Morgan PRICE (1851 - 1866) Died aged 16 last qtr. 1866 Llandovery Reg. 

Census Information (relevant to Elinor Price).

1841 Trichwmwl, Myddfai

Eleanor PRICE, 62, Farmer

Gwen PRICE, daughter, 32

William PRICE, son, 20

Morgan PRICE, son, 16 

1851 Penlan, Telych (note - Telych is a hamlet or district between Myddfai and Llandovery. It is part of Llandingat parish)

William PRICE, head, unmarried, 32 farming 115 acres 2 employees, CMN Mothvey

Elinor PRICE, mother, widow, 75, farmer's mother, BRE Llywel

Elinor Evans, servant, 30, CRD Pencarreg

* The previous occupiers of Trichwmwl were William and Lewis John. William John died in 1816 aged 78 and Lewis John died 1817 aged 88. Presumably the tenancy thus became vacant and was taken up by William Price. It is also of interest that according to D.B. James MLP (p. 75) Trichwmwl had either been built or extensively rebuilt around 1806. Many barns and even houses before this period were of mud wall construction but many were rebuilt in stone during the first half of the 19th century.

** D. James MLP p.154

*** David Jones and Anne lived at Black Cock (aka The Heath Cock in 18th century) which was originally an inn on one of the early mountain routes between Trecastle and Llandovery before the current main road through Cwmdwr became the main turnpike road. By the 19th century Black Cock was a smallholding and by 1839 or so had passed into the ownership of Edward Jones of Velindre, Llandovery, the solicitor who also owned adjacent farms including Llanerchgoch, Trichwmwl, Hafod Fawr and Hafod Fach. David and Anne were at Black Cock in 1841 until approx. 1862. In the 1850's the adjacent farm Hafod Fawr was occupied by Daniel Jones, originally of Cilycwm and his wife Mary and their numerous children - they are to be found there in the 1861 census. However, from information in the DTM Jones collection and also Llandovery court records researched by D.B. James in MLP (page 94) Daniel Jones was declared bankrupt in 1862 and all his possessions sold to pay his creditors with the result that David Jones and Anne moved to Hafod Fawr and Daniel Jones and his family moved into Black Cock. This family is an interesting one since it provides a ink with my family. One of Daniel Jones' daughters, Margaret, married John Jones of Meity Fechan who was a son of Llewellyn Jones, my paternal great great grandfather.

****In fact Margaret was the daughter of James Jones originally of Llanddeusant who himself was the son of Jane Price and Rees John (Jane was the daughter of William Price Tynllwyn) so Margaret was a distant cousin of David Jones. James Jones of Llanddeusant (1793 - 1852 see MI 28 Saron) married Anne Griffiths of Penycae Myddfai (MI 22 Saron) at Llywel PC in 1816. Living at Brynmaendu in 1841 and 1851 they had Children Mary 1826, Howell 1829, Margaret 1836 and Gwenllian 1837. Anne died in 1849 and James in 1852 leaving Margaret and Gwenllian alone at Brynmaendu in 1861. I am indebted to Gareth Jones of Brewood for some of this information. David Jones and Margaret are in his female line.